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Mexico
An
Interview with Raúl Gatica
By Sonali Kolhatkar
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Raúl Gatica is one of the
founding members of CIPO-RFM (Popular Indigenous Council
of OaxacaRicardo Flores Magón), based in
the southwestern Mexican state of Oaxaca. CIPO-RFM was
founded in 1997 and is a grassroots, non-violent organization
formed of various indigenous communities. It is based
on the philosophy of Ricardo Flores Magón, the
Oaxaca-born prominent anarchist revolutionary of the
Mexican Revolution (1910).
About
70 percent of the population of Oaxaca is indigenous.
For many years, the indigenous communities have been
facing repression and human rights violations by government
and paramilitary forces. Gaticas organization,
CIPO -RFM, has been one of the most serious targets
of the repression. Since its formation there have been
hundreds of detentions, raids by the military, police,
and paramilitaries, and assassinations, torture, and
serious injuries.
The following interview with the CIPO-RFM founder aired
on December 2, 2005, on Uprising, KPFK Pacifica
Radio in Los Angeles.
KOLHATKAR: Can you tell us why you are in exile in
Canada?
GATICA: It has to do with the struggle of the organization
that I work at, CIPO-RFM, the Indigenous Council, which
has been fighting for the rights of the indigenous people.
This had caused the then governor of Oaxaca, José
Murat, to try on several occasions to assassinate me.
I was imprisoned at least 11 times. There were four
assassination attempts against me. There have been a
series of threats against myself and my family. This
resulted in the decision of the Indigenous Council to
vote for exile for me as the only way of survival.
Tell us about the indigenous communities of Oaxaca.
Why do they face state repression and repression from
paramilitaries?
Oaxaca is a state in southern Mexico that has the largest
indigenous population in the country. In Oaxaca there
are at least two million indigenous peopleZapotecos,
Mixtecos, etc. There are 16 indigenous nations. Were
distributed in small locations, small towns, and in
Oaxaca. The ownership of the land is by the community.
What I mean is that it is distributed as common property.
Without exaggeration, you could say that 75 percent
of the land belongs to the community. Therefore the
wealth of this land that is forests, water, biodiversity,
all this beauty that nature offers in our territorybelongs
to the community. And so the small groups, the town,
the indigenous groups, own them.
But the multinational companies want to have ownership
of these lands. The measures taken by the government
are to separate us as different indigenous people. The
government does not want Indians. Thats why they
want to take possession of our land. The only way that
they have to take everything from us is by killing us.
Because they know we will not leave our land. Because
we have nowhere else to go.
We were in the lower lands when the colonizers arrived
and then we went up the hills. But now the new colonizer
wants our mountains where we currently live. Where else
should we run to? Theres nothing beyond the mountains
and thats why they want to kill us all. The paramilitary
groups are the best instrument for the government of
Oaxaca and Mexico to exterminate us because by doing
this their [the governments] hands are clean and
they can say: We did not do that. They [the paramilitaries]
killed by themselves or it was a common delinquency.
Anything can be said. And they will be free of any charge
even though they are the responsible party.
Our people are being exterminated because we want to
take ownership of our land. We resist because we are
very clear in our mind that our struggle goes beyond
[the current struggle over land]. We are struggling
for humanity, to protect water, land, and forests. Because
that not only benefits us as a people but it benefits
humanity.
How
are indigenous communities organized?
There are at least 200 organizations of all sorts. There
is a long tradition of organizing. Our Indigenous Council
is an organization of communities. The way we organize
is by following this community model. Nobody charges
for anything. We are all volunteers and we are named
in an assembly and we follow what the communities dictate.
This model makes it difficult for us to be eliminated.
Yet the government has succeeded in arresting and
imprisoning many of the members of your community. How
many indigenous political prisoners are there today?
Do they have international support?
Since our origin, November 15, 1997, up to today, we
have had more than 500 people detained, including 46
kidnapped in 2000 and 106 detainees in 1998. So we have
remained and have suffered the repression of the government.
There are more than 200 detention orders. And we are
suffering the experience of a political exile like in
my personal case. Our struggle has been presented at
different international organizations. The United Nations
Human Rights Commission states that the petition of
the Indigenous Council should be heardthe right
to organize peacefully and the UN specifically requests
my safety. Also, the Inter-American Commis- sion of
Human Rights based in Washington, DC has decreed in
its assembly to ratify the cautionary measures issued
on September 27, 2004. Nevertheless, the governments
of Oaxaca and Mexico pays no attention to this international
call to respect human rights.
Without exaggeration we can say that in Oaxaca we currently
live in a state exempt [from human rights laws]. There
is a systemic violation of individual freedom, which
is comparable to other countries that have suffered
military regimes in the past. The current governor,
who is the leader of these measures, is one of the closest
allies of the PRI candidate for the president of Mexico.
And I can say without a doubt what lies in the destiny
of Mexico if they [the PRI] are capable of winning the
presidency of the country. Indigenous people and non-indigenous
people, the poor people of Mexico, who represent the
majority of the population, should expect death, kidnappings,
or exile.
What are CIPO-RFMs goals?
CIPO-RFM is searching in a peaceful manner for the resolution
of problems regarding health, housing, education, and
work for the indigenous people in Oaxaca. We also demand
the community ownership of our land and recognition
of our rights as individuals and as a group. We have
our own language, our vision of the world, self-determination,
and autonomy. We also fight for the respect of indigenous
nations, for the preservation of forests and the environment.
We strategically structure ourselves, the organization,
as part of a community. We do peaceful protests. Thats
how we demonstrate and thats how we express ourselves.
We have always looked for the peaceful path because
thats our fighting tool. So a Day of the
Dead becomes a demonstration. Or maybe our corn
fields can become a field of protest. All the items
that are a part of our life allow us to be recognized
as a community, to be respected as human beings.
Why is CIPO-RFM non-violent?
Based on the history of our country and of every country,
we have seen that in armed struggle everyone loses.
Even those who win, lose. But those that lose the most
are the people. In the case of Mexico, the ones that
have lost the most are the indigenous people. We are
tired of so many deaths, of losing every fight. Therefore,
we believe that the only way of winning this struggle
is to fight for the future through peaceful means. With
creativity, with ideas, we are building a future right
now. We are making the transformations now and not just
to overthrow, to win. No, what we want is to learn how
to live peacefully. And thats why that is the
origin of our organization. In any case, if were
all going to die, we dont want to hurt anyone.
And thats why we make our joy a means of resistance.
Our smiles are a weapon of winning the struggle. For
example, when tear gas is sprayed on us, thats
how we respond. We believe in peaceful means of struggle.
We dont need to impose violence to advance. This
might cost us our lives, but we dont want to harm
anyone.
How
did Hurricane Stan in Mexico and Central America affect
your community and what has the government response
been?
Anything that will make the government richer, they
will use. When indigenous people are useful for them,
lets say, to be sold to tourists, to be used as
puppets, the government will sell us for their own benefit.
This happened when the terrible disaster of Hurricane
Stan came along. Using our disastrous condition due
to this hurricane, the government received aid from
international organizations. Then the government of
Oaxaca used this aid politically by going into our communities
and telling us, These materials, these goods,
these supplies have arrived to fix roads, to aid you.
And, we should vote for, for example [PRI candidate]
Roberto Madrazo, because he sent us all this help. And
if it werent for him we would not receive all
these supplies to help us out. So what happens
is that disasters are used politically by the government.
In the case of the Indigenous Council, the situation
is even worse because the authorities of our community
delivered the census of the affected people and when
the aid arrived the authorities went to the Indigenous
Council and the autonomous communities. The delegates
from the government said, No, we are not going
to give you anything because you are autonomous, right?
So you should be able to resolve your problem.
So our members said, Okay well take care
of ourselves by ourselves. Therefore we were excluded
from that international aid. A representative of the
government said, We know you are enemies of the
PRI, we know you are not going to vote for the PRI.
Therefore, we are not going to give you any supplies.
We replied, We are enemies of hate and injustice.
What we need to do is to live together in harmony.
What can people in the U.S. do to express solidarity
with your organization and with the indigenous communities
in Oaxaca?
People in the U.S. could do plenty. There are several
ways of doing it. One would be to understand the problems
of our organization and indigenous community. They can
open their eyes and their hearts to us and know that
not everything is right in Mexico. There is so much
poverty and injustice. Thats why so many people
from Oaxaca live in the United States and work there.
Secondly, they could support our peaceful protest against
the governments of Mexico and Oaxaca. When the officers
from Oaxaca go to the U.S., in terms of repressing freedom
of our imprisoned people, they could call attention
to the government of Oaxaca and find out about the conditions
of the people in prison. Apparently in the U.S., when
people speak out, people are listened to. Apparently,
the words of the indigenous people are worthless.
A third way of helping us out is to come and visit our
communities. You can live with us and our homes will
be your homes. You can share our meals, walk our walks,
enjoy our happiness or share our sorrows, show affection
for one another in order to learn how to live with other
communities. If you come to be with us, then the police
and the paramilitaries and the government will not seek
to kill us all. So if you come, you will help us and
be able to protect us.
Lastly, you could support our projects. For example,
we have Radio Guetza, which is a community radio station.
We also have a community center where people get together.
You could help support that community center. You could
help finance the human rights projects for indigenous
peoplethe high school called Tamultepec and the
health centers. You can help us trade our products:
chocolate, coffee, molé. Also, our arts and crafts,
and many things that we supply. What we want is for
you to help us build what we are doing for ourselves.
Of course there are many other areas where we could
use your help. Your imagination and your affection can
guide you in finding ways of helping us out.
Sonali
Kolhatkar co-produces Uprising, a daily program
on KPFK, Pacifica Radio in Los Angeles.
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